Contrary to new fan theories, Mace Windu is not Supreme Leader Snoke. While we don’t know a whole lot about Snoke in the new Star Wars trilogy, we’re sure we’ll all find out more about him anytime soon, and that the reveal will be more shocking than Force lightning. But for now, here’s why we know that Snoke is not Mace Windu or any other character we’ve met before in the Star Wars universe.

Sure, it would be nice to believe that Mace Windu is still alive somewhere in the galaxy, but he’s not. If he were to ever come back into the storyline, he would come back on the side of good. However, that’s not what YouTuber Vincent Vendetta thinks. Vendetta’s theory is that Mace Windu survived his fateful fight with Emperor Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith. He poses that being electrocuted and thrown out a skyscraper didn’t kill Mace Windu, but only prompted him to turn to the Dark side and become Snoke.

Two of the main points in Vendetta’s theory that supposedly prove Mace Windu is Snoke are that Mace Windu uses a purple lightsaber and that Finn is actually Mace Windu’s son, which is why Kylo Ren takes such interest in him. Both seem wrong.

Mace Windu using a purple lightsaber supposedly signifies the space between the Light side (blue) and the Dark side (red) of the Force. But Samuel L. Jackson — who plays Mace Windu — has said before that the reason his lightsaber is purple is because he wanted to be able to find himself in the arena fight scene in Attack of the Clones. Jackson just really likes purple. That’s it. Sorry.

Secondly, Finn is not Mace Windu’s son. Like, he’s just not. Finn was taken away from his family by the First Order as a child and brought into the ranks of the stormtroopers. That’s it. Maybe Finn will be reunited with his family one day. Even if not, he’ll probably continue making a family of his own between Rey, Poe, Chewie, Leia, and the rest of the Resistance. But Finn is not Mace Windu’s son. Just because they are two of the three black main characters in the Star Wars universe does not mean they’re related. Full stop.

Snoke is clearly a character that we’ve never met before, but one who undeniably has enormous power and a deep connection to the Force. But we won’t really know any more until the release of Star Wars: Episode VIII on December 15, 2017.

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